(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[2013 US Open Rd 3 Brd 1 - Matthew (Zi Yang) Hu 1p (w) - Yuhan Zhang 7d (b)]PW[Matthew (Zi Yang) Hu]PB[Yuhan Zhang]WR[1p]BR[7d]DT[2013-08-06]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis wheeler]C[xio [5k\]: this is championship of Chinese living in the US
mkeller [1k\]: so?
Thus [3d\]: so its redicilous
tempi [3k\]: this is joseki !
Mentalist [?\]: b doesnt live in the US
Mentalist [?\]: w doesnt either
blackstorm [2k\]: it will be mind blowing :)
icarealot [?\]: looks like i should clone this game
York [6d?\]: so redicilous. i agree.
bert [4d?\]: but... but... the board is empty!
blackstorm [2k\]: literally
Rochedale [4k\]: That spelling of ridiculous is ridiculous.
York [6d?\]: spelling is unimportant when you reach dan :)
Rochedale [4k\]: :)
Murkrow [6k\]: i think i've read out the rest of the game
Murkrow [6k\]: white wins
blackstorm [2k\]: the word ridiculous seems to have a riddle within the word itself
blackstorm [2k\]: not rly
Rochedale [4k\]: This is what is referred to as the "Large Open Space" joseki.
gooooo [-\]: sparse stone joseki
Hobbes [2k\]: favorable.to.w.actually
blackstorm [2k\]: i see interesting move
bert [4d?\]: dans cant spell, also when talking to 1 u better use caps, coz they cant read that well either
xio [5k\]: kgs doesn't really need a game to kibitz
gooooo [-\]: on kgs we can kibbitz empty boards
York [6d?\]: I see w is already leading by 7.5
Hobbes [2k\]: but.b.has.sente
York [6d?\]: hmm
York [6d?\]: so its even?
GoForFun8 [1d\]: is w 1p US or ...?
blackstorm [2k\]: let s see if 7d blows 1 p away
Hobbes [2k\]: I.guess.so:-)
bert [4d?\]: mabe b doesnt realize it is his turn
Thus [3d\]: is w a real pro or usa pro?
blackstorm [2k\]: maybe he s thinking of a general strategy
gooooo [-\]: thus, is breakfast a real pro?
Hobbes [2k\]: actually.I'm.more.curios.about.board2....Peilun.is.on.stage.again
Thus [3d\]: a bit unrelated, bot no
Thus [3d\]: but*
Jermelle [-\]: when will this start?
blackstorm [2k\]: any moment :P
pinkrobot [1k\]: as soon as the peanut gallery shuts up
bert [4d?\]: it is allready over actually
Jermelle [-\]: ^ i'd be angry
Growl3r [8k\]: is there tournament info available online? 
Jermelle [-\]: they played lightning go >.>
blackstorm [2k\]: literally
tempi [3k\]: players are not even here
]RE[B+0.50]
;B[dp]
;W[pp]C[tempi [3k\]: omg
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;B[cd]
;W[pc]
;B[qe]C[santiago [2d\]: did they play under a thunderstorm?
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;W[qi]C[York [6d?\]: no i gues
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;B[qn]
;W[qo]
;B[pn]
;W[np]
;B[nd]
;W[pe]C[USGO1 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/166
Stim [10k\]: is there any commentary for this?
Hobbes [2k\]: very.fast.for.the.amount.of.decision.they.already.made...
TWahl [1k\]: tempi, the games are played on a board and a recorder enters the game into kgs.
gooooo [-\]: usgo1, is white an american pro?L
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;B[pf]C[tempi [3k\]: k thx
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;W[oe]
;B[qd]
;W[ne]
;B[qc]
;W[ob]
;B[pb]
;W[oc]
;B[qk]C[icarealot [?\]: no
icarealot [?\]: chi
AzureSea [4d\]: zi yang is 2-0 so far right
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;W[oj]C[uurtamo [-\]: a bunch of people are.
uurtamo [-\]: the crosstable link is good.
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;B[nl]
;W[qf]C[Illyria [?\]: Matthew Hu is a young Chinese 1p
York [6d?\]: afterall it is a chinese tournament
Illyria [?\]: he won the US open last year
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;B[qg]
;W[rf]
;B[rg]
;W[pg]
;B[of]
;W[ng]
;B[og]
;W[ph]
;B[oh]
;W[nh]C[toffee [3d\]: doesn't look good for w.
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;B[oi]
;W[ni]
;B[pi]
;W[qh]
;B[nf]
;W[mf]
;B[pj]
;W[re]C[regigigas [5d\]: very interesting
AndEdhel [2d?\]: ah?
bengozen [5k\]: i dunno... this looks pretty tricksy..
regigigas [5d\]: b in trouble imo
AndEdhel [2d?\]: w seems ok here
GoForFun8 [1d\]: this game may end early lol
blackstorm [2k\]: s 12
AndEdhel [2d?\]: scary
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;B[me]C[HelloQtion [-\]: s12 just help  w 
blackstorm [2k\]: yeah..
AndEdhel [2d?\]: w abandon corner?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: b
apina [1d\]: I think he has no choice with it
Growl3r [8k\]: b error
xio [5k\]: boot error
apina [1d\]: but how much he will get against O12
pinkrobot [1k\]: lots of aji in corner for b and gets outside attack...b seems ok
Stim [9k\]: what is difference between p and dan
bengozen [5k\]: p = professional
bengozen [5k\]: d = amateur
xio [5k\]: amount of awesomeness
apina [1d\]: lots of aji for sure and it helps outside
Stim [9k\]: how do you become a professional from amateur status
apina [1d\]: buw much he will get outside is different
regigigas [5d\]: corner too big
blackstorm [2k\]: earn money with it
regigigas [5d\]: b can't do much on the outside
tempi [3k\]: what is the dan equivalence for a 1 p?
bengozen [5k\]: Depends on the country, but in general, there's an exam where you compete to get in.
AndEdhel [2d?\]: 1p-3p around 7/8d amateur, 
xio [5k\]: 1p = 7d kgs approx
tempi [3k\]: wow k
Rij [-\]: r18 safe
York [6d?\]: 1p >>7d kgs
York [6d?\]: 1p >= 9d kgs
xio [5k\]: I really doubt that
AndEdhel [2d?\]: ... I meant in usual (aga, egd, fr, ...)
bolbi [-\]: back to the game, thank you
AndEdhel [2d?\]: yes
purpura9 [7k\]: how much time do they have for this game?
otis [?\]: 120m
kaly [2k\]: for new players, it was helpful though ^^
AndEdhel [2d?\]: ^^
Thumb [3d\]: W would really like to play M14 I suppose. Can he?
pinkrobot [1k\]: corner is big...but n15 is strong cut...gonna cause problems for w cause of corner aji
bolbi [-\]: thay can ask in EGR if they want more informations
bolbi [-\]: they*
bengozen [5k\]: is it possible to find out how much time Black has used so far?
tempi [3k\]: egr what is that?
xio [5k\]: you need to ask
santiago [2d\]: oh, the other game has the same shape as o8 
USGO1 [-\]: the game only started less than 30 mins ago
AndEdhel [2d?\]: n16 seems honte
bengozen [5k\]: thanks!
KurataSan [3d\]: wow w is awesome
pinkrobot [1k\]: w can n17 and give up o12
santiago [2d\]: o12 is super huge
zuooo [4d\]: o12 is worthless :)
kaly [2k\]: maybe w r18 is enough, so M14 or so interesting right now?
GoForFun8 [1d\]: b n15 is a win-lose move
santiago [2d\]: well, n14 is whats important really
pinkrobot [1k\]: exactly, give up o12 and attack the cutting stone here
kaly [2k\]: maybe M15?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: m14 invite b getting sides and threaten top w group. for how many points? 
Idn [3d\]: i like m15
Growl3r [8k\]: give up o12 and you give up center
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;W[lf]C[Thumb [3d\]: He can
kaly [2k\]: :)
qp [6k\]: this is what i love about you guys. in kibitz i learn that something can be simultaneously alive and dead and ko, or huge and worthless, that b should resign except that a move later someone says that w should :)
AndEdhel [2d?\]: growler: sides bigger than center (unless huge center)
Idn [3d\]: que de gens bien par ici ;)
pinkrobot [1k\]: can b now do s18?
USGO1 [-\]: and Matthew takes his water bottle to refill
AndEdhel [2d?\]: qp: quantum kibitsdynamics. observers decide the status
kaly [2k\]: yep :)
FuzzFace [1k\]: code quantum ? 
AndEdhel [2d?\]: ok, w prefers m14. ill die in shame
FuzzFace [1k\]: influence is still better
pinkrobot [1k\]: i guess n16 is pretty important for b before can try in corner
FuzzFace [1k\]: than a small dead group
goren2 [2k\]: stephano playing deuckdeok in wcs europe
USGO1 [-\]: but instead comes back with a small cup of water
York [6d?\]: the reading depth is avalanche level
otis [?\]: i think b is just dead in the corner
FuzzFace [1k\]: USGO can you confrin us go 2014 place ? 
regigigas [5d\]: possibly ko
toffee [3d\]: w probably can take a smoke break.
FuzzFace [1k\]: i ve heard vancouver 
FuzzFace [1k\]: ...
guapo [2k\]: where is 2013?
otis [?\]: tacoma, wa
USGO1 [-\]: don't know.. I've heard rumors it may be New York
Jermelle [-\]: new york? then I'm not going XD
pinkrobot [1k\]: m14 looks overwhelmingly strong here...b in for a long game
toffee [3d\]: No way New York, too expensive for a venue.  New Jersey more like it.
USGO1 [-\]: that announcement usually comes at the end of the week here
otis [?\]: plenty of nice places in new york for it to be held
FuzzFace [1k\]: ok
Idn [3d\]: go in central park, nice ;)
FuzzFace [1k\]: =)
otis [?\]: new york is more than just new york city
FuzzFace [1k\]: big party on us go conress ?
Growl3r [8k\]: it's in seattle - Tacoma,  wa
forgotmypw [?\]: so, the location is seattled
AndEdhel [2d?\]: lol
xio [5k\]: b s16 alive?
otis [?\]: no
bert [4d?\]: heh, he forgot his pw
tempi [3k\]: doesnt b has a ko for the corner?
blurb1: ko with s16 12 s18?
Idn [3d\]: yep
tempi [3k\]: yup
tempi [3k\]: time for it no?
Idn [3d\]: s16 - s19 alive ?
pinkrobot [1k\]: maybe...but b probably rather keep attacking m14 stones first
HelloQtion [-\]: s19 Idn ?
guapo [2k\]: b is thinking a lot
Idn [3d\]: s16 s12 t15 t13 s19 
xio [5k\]: but why ko? why not connect and live?
otis [?\]: connect doesn't live
Idn [3d\]: i 'm not sure
Idn [3d\]: it s a question :)
apina [1d\]: s18?
apina [1d\]: after ldn's sequence
FuzzFace [1k\]: time no is to runing
xio [5k\]: w p15 very weak too, may have to protect
HelloQtion [-\]: s19 would not directly live after q19 but w must be crafeul about P17 first
popon [5k\]: h
otis [?\]: usgo, please shake black and make sure he is okay
HelloQtion [-\]: but not sure living gote in a such small corner would be a great idea
pinkrobot [1k\]: Idn: what about t18 after your sequence?
guapo [2k\]: tell him we are getting imptien
Growl3r [8k\]: this not blitz
Idn [3d\]: q19
bert [4d?\]: living in corner is not gote here
tempi [3k\]: q19 s 18 isnt it?
pinkrobot [1k\]: then w has t17 peak and s18
USGO1 [-\]: Yuhan has emptied his box of chocolate milk and has been leaning over the board with his arms folded on the table
FuzzFace [1k\]: q9 q8 r10 
FuzzFace [1k\]: !!!
FuzzFace [1k\]: amazing
Idn [3d\]: it's not a go game, it's a go lunch ! :p
Growl3r [8k\]: so chocolate milk gets rank to 7d, noted
FuzzFace [1k\]: apetie for destruction
FuzzFace [1k\]: !!!
FuzzFace [1k\]: apetite*
Rochedale [4k\]: Ape tie?
guapo [2k\]: who takes a box of mix chocolate to a game?
Idn [3d\]: i think it's alive
bert [4d?\]: p19 may be playable
GoForFun8 [1d\]: b live corner  or sacrifice ( but can get back how much lol?)
York [6d?\]: chocolate milk vs water
York [6d?\]: cat takes the deal
AndEdhel [2d?\]: brain consumes 4g of sugar per hour when thinking hard, I heard
Idn [3d\]: but outside maybe bigger
Growl3r [8k\]: greedy brain
minimalist [2k\]: s16 t13 s18 q19 r19 ko to live?
Growl3r [8k\]: yes
Idn [3d\]: i think he can live without ko
Idn [3d\]: were are 6d kgs players ?
Idn [3d\]: ^^
GoForFun8 [1d\]: ko live corner is out of question this stage
minimalist [2k\]: 3d should know this! ^^
Idn [3d\]: i give you a scoop
Idn [3d\]: 3d are not strong at all :p
minimalist [2k\]: well, maybe its illusion only :)
kungfuli [2k\]: Black corner lives if he really wants to. Don't just trust me, read it yourself. but black can try to kill white mid and that's bigger.
santiago [2d\]: b needs to save n15 if he wants to attack center
pinkrobot [1k\]: Idn: I think your sequence is still ko....s16 s12 t15 t13 s19 ... w will t17 maybe
pinkrobot [1k\]: and b can t18 starting another ko
Growl3r [8k\]: s16 is sente anyway
Idn [3d\]: q19
GoForFun8 [1d\]: i believe b will n16 , w r12 but b still has aji in corner
DJPeter [3d\]: Blanc a déjà gagné. Oui oui oui.
Idn [3d\]: c'est bien possible DJ
Idn [3d\]: =)
DJPeter [3d\]: Ah et j'avais pas vu que c'était un pro... forcément...
pinkrobot [1k\]: if q19, w has s18
Idn [3d\]: humm
Idn [3d\]: s18 not a ko
minimalist [2k\]: rather m16 or m15 i think
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;B[le]C[gandr [6k\]: he's alive!
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;W[ke]C[Idn [3d\]: r18 t19 s17 r19 
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;B[nb]C[MXHero [4d\]: there was no a ko needed in the corner, b R18 would have threatened N17 next
MXHero [4d\]: not a ko*
MXHero [4d\]: but it would have just given w a perfect wall
AndEdhel [2d?\]: o17
Idn [3d\]: 4d are really better than 3d thx MXHero
santiago [2d\]: o17 takes away your libs...
MXHero [4d\]: plus, now b continues to have moves around R10 in sente
AndEdhel [2d?\]: but b o17 too
GoForFun8 [1d\]: not sure if m15 , l15 is good exchange for b
]
;W[qb]
;B[nc]
;W[pa]C[regigigas [5d\]: w way ahead
]
;B[kc]C[kungfuli [2k\]: wow
MXHero [4d\]: seems like an even position for now; this was w's side to start
Thoravatar [4d\]: white consolidate center thickness and game over 
kungfuli [2k\]: corner is not dead.
GoForFun8 [1d\]: b corner still has aji there
forgotmypw [?\]: m17
kungfuli [2k\]: it's a thousand year old Ko?
kungfuli [2k\]: if white plays elsewhere?
Stim [9k\]: how can he consolidate center
Stim [9k\]: (for example)
MXHero [4d\]: stim, there is no good example of that, that's why it's still a relatively even game :)
Thoravatar [4d\]: i am tempted to L14, but i guess white will find a more subtle move
santiago [2d\]: m17 
tobi0001 [3k\]: L14 looks good 
MXHero [4d\]: K17 maybe?
tobi0001 [3k\]: solid without aji - why not
regigigas [5d\]: m17 too early
regigigas [5d\]: k17 i think
Thoravatar [4d\]: will there ever be a time when M17-L16 is a good exchange?
Dita [1d\]: who got the better deal, or is it even?
tobi0001 [3k\]: L14 looks also like sente against b group aroung o17
MXHero [4d\]: the problem with w's shape is that he wants both L14 and M12, but of course not both of them on the board at once :)
AndEdhel [2d?\]: sita: w has big corner and b only potentials
pinkrobot [1k\]: right, but L14 lets b out too easily around k17 area
pinkrobot [1k\]: maybe j16 is right balance
FuzzFace [1k\]: &s16 t13 s18 
FuzzFace [1k\]: ??
Thoravatar [4d\]: well i much rather have L14 then M12, but i agree eye-shape will become important later
Thoravatar [4d\]: J 16 leaves cuts
Thoravatar [4d\]: i think it is not reasonable to press down on O17 formation
tobi0001 [3k\]: tthan b is lucky to get the cut at l14 after w J16
ThiGar [3k\]: What time is it in Tacoma?
Thoravatar [4d\]: best way to pressure black there is the solid connection
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;W[kf]C[xio [5k\]: true
otis [?\]: 9:56 in tacoma
ThiGar [3k\]: ty
pinkrobot [1k\]: matthew agress with you :)
]
;B[rd]
;W[sg]
;B[rb]C[Thoravatar [4d\]: wow, nice :)
]
;W[ra]
;B[na]C[kungfuli [2k\]: dat ko
Thoravatar [4d\]: t16, works?
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;W[oa]C[xio [5k\]: not a ko
GoForFun8 [1d\]: may be both live
kungfuli [2k\]: ...
Thoravatar [4d\]: ah no
SadPlayer [-\]: t19 ?
pinkrobot [1k\]: b has to do something about the k17 area
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;B[kd]C[pinkrobot [1k\]: k17 by w would be killer
kungfuli [2k\]: i don't think he can get corner with sente
]
;W[ok]C[regigigas [5d\]: good extend
regigigas [5d\]: was bad before w got t13
Epithany [3k?\]: yup
MXHero [4d\]: this is the price of playing S16
Thoravatar [4d\]: ah nice, indeed, 
xio [5k\]: may be worth it, who knows
kungfuli [2k\]: why is it bad?
MXHero [4d\]: yeah, it's just a trade
GoForFun8 [1d\]: p 9 is urgent point , now b  group is weak 
MXHero [4d\]: not good/bad, but it is a change
pinkrobot [1k\]: it's ugly, but is q9 good just to connect and take a w lib?
DJPeter [3d\]: Pfiou que c'est long ^^
Thoravatar [4d\]: q9 is too ugly for me to consider
Thoravatar [4d\]: (so it must be good :) )
MXHero [4d\]: haha
regigigas [5d\]: q8 or o6
xio [5k\]: q8 for 1 more funny ko?
regigigas [5d\]: I don't see a ko for q8...
GoForFun8 [1d\]: w better now
Growl3r [8k\]: q8 not bad
gotoin [7k\]: m9 ?
AA76 [7k?\]: O10
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;B[pl]C[xio [5k\]: you will see
Thoravatar [4d\]: pff this hardly works
MXHero [4d\]: i like R8 more than this move
xio [5k\]: either works or not
Thoravatar [4d\]: ok, so it works :P
regigigas [5d\]: r8 was quite bad
]
;W[sc]C[regigigas [5d\]: no shape a tall
MXHero [4d\]: xio, not true; "working" is just a simplification
regigigas [5d\]: o6 destroys it
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;B[lh]C[xio [5k\]: but I thought 'hardly' is a negation in English ;)
]
;W[mj]C[regigigas [5d\]: good
regigigas [5d\]: expected move
Thoravatar [4d\]: is M12 not a little bit too direct?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: hardly is almost (with difficulty)
regigigas [5d\]: yes, n10 is very natural
HelloQtion [-\]: w is happy to play n10
viu30h [5k\]: hardly can actually be both fail and succeed   xD
xio [5k\]: so hardly works means almost works?
GoForFun8 [1d\]: m12 become too greedy move by n10, i learn something here
Thoravatar [4d\]: no, it means "almost doesnt work" (at least that's what i meant)
santiago [2d\]: isn't hardly similar to barely
pinkrobot [1k\]: just f16? is q8 ok to leave alone?
MXHero [4d\]: hardly means "maybe not quite, but probably barely", lol
otis [?\]: hardly can mean almost doesn't work and also doesn't work
Thoravatar [4d\]: haha
otis [?\]: kind of confusing
AndEdhel [2d?\]: Maher: like "splunge!" ? ^^
GoForFun8 [1d\]: means b has given w a free move lol
MXHero [4d\]: it's hardly confusing! =)
xio [5k\]: I can hardly understand it
Thoravatar [4d\]: actually, Q8 still holds because of the atari at s11
pinkrobot [1k\]: i think b gonna want to get that f16 point now
xio [5k\]: I wouldnt tenuki
Growl3r [8k\]: k12 or tenuki
Thoravatar [4d\]: it think black wants to defend around P7
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;B[jh]C[Thoravatar [4d\]: perhaps not
xio [5k\]: good Growl4r
]
;W[ie]C[pinkrobot [1k\]: well, A+ for sticking w/ the original strategy
xio [5k\]: so cut now?
otis [?\]: black is dreaming, imo
viu30h [5k\]: b has to cut and end up with dumpling now?
]
;B[nn]C[pinkrobot [1k\]: b is too weak at q8 to cut at n13
AndEdhel [2d?\]: dangerous for w ? gives b opportunity to profit by attacking?
Thoravatar [4d\]: jeah
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;W[kj]C[xio [5k\]: now h16 
Thoravatar [4d\]: that's what i mean, although i would have loved to see black connect over the second line :)
santiago [2d\]: b doesnt want to cut, he prefers if w connects
]
;B[ii]C[otis [?\]: i can't believe andy liu is 0-2 at the open
pinkrobot [1k\]: w proabably has to connect now
pinkrobot [1k\]: after o6 that is
]
;W[km]C[Thoravatar [4d\]: looks like he tries to attack to defend the cut 
]
;B[lq]
;W[lp]C[pinkrobot [1k\]: m3 looks super risky
Thoravatar [4d\]: is this another overplay?
Growl3r [8k\]: m3 seems to help w
kungfuli [2k\]: I think he was hoping for a different result
]
;B[kp]
;W[lo]
;B[oq]
;W[op]
;B[nq]C[Thoravatar [4d\]: either there is some really nice tactics here, or it seems like he puts his right group in a lot of trouble
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;W[pq]
;B[jq]C[MXHero [4d\]: if w here just connects his groups, b might be able to show that w is playing on neutral points
]
;W[rl]C[Growl3r [8k\]: q6 is super weak
kungfuli [2k\]: OH GOD. T.T
MXHero [4d\]: now w will show b that Q8 should have been R8 =D
pinkrobot [1k\]: s8 feels like a giant hammer
MXHero [4d\]: "shapeless" :)
pinkrobot [1k\]: or, maybe better analogy: a dagger
Thoravatar [4d\]: Yuhan Zhang is 7d in what system? AGA?
kungfuli [2k\]: S5 still gives one eye.
Growl3r [8k\]: q8 would have worked if not kor m3
Growl3r [8k\]: for*
kungfuli [2k\]: but I think he needs to s7 to save the Q10 group
Wagaboo [2k\]: black is introuble
anicca [3d\]: q10 for sure captured
Growl3r [8k\]: looks deaf
Growl3r [8k\]: dead*
CageyS [2d?\]: did w become pro this year then?
Wagaboo [2k\]: iw ould even say black is in points trouble
MXHero [4d\]: unfortunately, the Q10 stones are still vital (M12 would lose all of its meaning if Q10 died)
bengozen [5k\]: good point
pinkrobot [1k\]: right
bengozen [5k\]: so black's best chance is to connect and try to make life?
MXHero [4d\]: b T15 and T18 seem interesting, or am i missing something
bengozen [5k\]: although i don't see much space for eyes though..
Rij [-\]: m3 was big overplay
MXHero [4d\]: i think it starts a ko?
anicca [3d\]: if b connects then b dies locally
Wagaboo [2k\]: i think i would s10
Growl3r [8k\]: does s5 help?
minimalist [2k\]: hardly
kungfuli [2k\]: S5 will get q10 killed
bengozen [5k\]: agreed
anicca [3d\]: t15 t18? what do you mean?
MXHero [4d\]: oh, not a ko, i see
MXHero [4d\]: might be a good kikashi before living, if b's group here can even live
kungfuli [2k\]: corner is dead. black can't atari without putting himself into atari
bengozen [5k\]: S8 seems like resignsuji
Wagaboo [2k\]: ...
Wagaboo [2k\]: some ppl didn't understand what is a resignsuji
pinkrobot [1k\]: i dont see any way out....i'm pretty sure b is feeling the same way
pinkrobot [1k\]: even though he is 20x better than me
bengozen [5k\]: resignsuji = a move that makes your opponent resign
Stim [9k\]: so suji = move
ohlord [1d\]: agree,b is screwed :-)
MXHero [4d\]: i think suji is style? anybody know?
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;B[ql]
;W[rm]C[Stim [9k\]: that area is worth 30+
]
;B[rn]C[kungfuli [2k\]: LOL
]
;W[qj]C[kungfuli [2k\]: mor elike 90
]
;B[pk]C[Thoravatar [4d\]: well he asked for it with m3
]
;W[rk]C[kungfuli [2k\]: Oh god. T.T
Growl3r [8k\]: over now
AndEdhel [2d?\]: w scares me
Wagaboo [2k\]: Mother of god :0
kungfuli [2k\]: That's M3....
MXHero [4d\]: M8 or resign, but i don't think M8 does it either
pinkrobot [1k\]: m3 was big mistake
bengozen [5k\]: actually i think White just pushed Black into a really bad variation of hte joseki in the upper right
bengozen [5k\]: and then took advantage of his weak position
Growl3r [8k\]: m3 was so bad!
kungfuli [2k\]: m8 will get n7
toffee [3d\]: not even one eye
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;B[sb]C[Stim [9k\]: desperation?
MXHero [4d\]: good kikashi before living here
Thoravatar [4d\]: does this even threathen anything?
MXHero [4d\]: it threatens ko
Thoravatar [4d\]: what happens if you just N7?
Thus [3d\]: threatens fake seki
MXHero [4d\]: or wait oh gosh
Thoravatar [4d\]: exactly my point
Wagaboo [2k\]: that's a step ko
Thoravatar [4d\]: no ko
MXHero [4d\]: there is no ko, it just makes seki, wow
Growl3r [8k\]: t18 desperatesuji
bengozen [5k\]: yeah i don't see ko
Thoravatar [4d\]: fake seki
Thoravatar [4d\]: like this said
Hammer [5d\]: T15
MXHero [4d\]: oh hold on
bengozen [5k\]: if i were white i'd play T16
kungfuli [2k\]: what's a fake seki? O_o
Thus [3d\]: so...m8 ?
Piruzic [2k\]: q8 dead no seki
Wagaboo [2k\]: it's seki between the 2 groups,
bengozen [5k\]: it means it's "seki" for the moment, but when Q10 dies, it's no longer seki
peakoil [3d\]: good question 
apina [1d\]: seki locally, but not globally
ohlord [1d\]: seki 4 one side :-)
Thoravatar [4d\]: temporary seki is more common terminology
Wagaboo [2k\]: but because another group can be killed it's no more seki
]
;W[rh]C[MXHero [4d\]: oh it is a sente seki
]
;B[sd]C[Thus [3d\]: why sente?
MXHero [4d\]: so it is good
Thus [3d\]: w could ignore..
MXHero [4d\]: well, if w tenukies here, b S17
Thoravatar [4d\]: y
AndEdhel [2d?\]: r19
MXHero [4d\]: bamboo joint has 0 libs, never forget :)
Thus [3d\]: ah couldn't ignore
Wagaboo [2k\]: MXhero that's not always true !
Growl3r [8k\]: just t15
MXHero [4d\]: so w should Q16
santiago [2d\]: but doesnt n16 give w an extra lib?
anicca [3d\]: so what is b's plan after this?
apina [1d\]: to live?
wsn [5k\]: did w misread?
aegwsrh: to hold the left side
aegwsrh: duh
anicca [3d\]: M9 area still some aji
BigStan [2d\]: corner temp seki, p14 dead
Thoravatar [4d\]: couldn't white T16 instead of S12, probably not, but i dont' see
MXHero [4d\]: then b S17, thor
MXHero [4d\]: w cannot connect because of libs anyway
AndEdhel [2d?\]: q16
HieuNM [11k\]: they will make  alive together I think
Thoravatar [4d\]: not connect, capture S12
profan [-\]: seki?
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;W[pd]C[Thoravatar [4d\]: and throwin to remove eye
MXHero [4d\]: then b starts the ko at T19 and wins the game
peakoil [3d\]: potentially fake seki
]
;B[ll]C[Thoravatar [4d\]: but that probaly makes ko
anicca [3d\]: t16 would give ko
AndEdhel [2d?\]: no ko now
Thoravatar [4d\]: y
keitarokun [4k\]: fake seki?
Thoravatar [4d\]: i hope
otis [?\]: meaning b will probably die at q8 
peakoil [3d\]: fake seki new term I just heard today
AndEdhel [2d?\]: only if q8 dies
keitarokun [4k\]: oh
MXHero [4d\]: b has an obnoxious number of sente moves here o.O
Thoravatar [4d\]: it's called temporary seki
peakoil [3d\]: it's not techincally correct term
USGO1 [-\]: its possible I got the moves out of order in the corner, as I had to step away from the board for a second to assist on the other board
peakoil [3d\]: order appeared correct
MXHero [4d\]: the order looked good, usgo :) you had us all fooled in any case
anicca [3d\]: order makes sense
AndEdhel [2d?\]: thx usgo, seems quite ok
anicca [3d\]: L8 looks ok, doesnt it?
pinkrobot [1k\]: or k8
Thoravatar [4d\]: if black lives, may m3 was a strong move
otis [?\]: k9 better than k8
Thoravatar [4d\]: maybe*
pinkrobot [1k\]: L8 only problem is the o9 bamboo join later
keitarokun [4k\]: it's nearly impossible for black to live here :s
bengozen [5k\]: but white is a little thin
bengozen [5k\]: so i see a 1% chance of shenanigans happening
MXHero [4d\]: i'd feel comfortable saying that there are either 0 or 1 sequences here where b lives
AndEdhel [2d?\]: if b lives, game can reverse
MicMac [2d\]: with n9 black is almost alive here
Thoravatar [4d\]: well, if black needs moves like n5 to live, white will gain a lot of points anyway
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;W[jk]C[bengozen [5k\]: oh nice
bengozen [5k\]: i like this kosumi
Growl3r [8k\]: k9 smooth
awesome [4k\]: pro strength kosumi
]
;B[lm]C[Thoravatar [4d\]: natural move, what was alternative?
bengozen [5k\]: being a kyu player, i saw K8
bengozen [5k\]: lol
otis [?\]: an unnatural move?
MXHero [4d\]: oh gosh, is it really this easy to live?
Thoravatar [4d\]: k8 leaves the cut where black has additional stones
]
;W[kn]C[bengozen [5k\]: no you're absolutely right. i'm just telling you what i saw as a kyu player
Thoravatar [4d\]: ah jeah, sry
toffee [3d\]: b needs a miracle.
MicMac [2d\]: n9?
pinkrobot [1k\]: i was thinking n9, 2
toffee [3d\]: What's kgs 3d to AGA these days?
Kogokhan [2d\]: mission imposible :)
otis [?\]: k12 stones look so silly
otis [?\]: i'd just resign as black and go get an early lunch
Growl3r [8k\]: o9 first
Pierce [-\]: Probably 3 to 4d
Kogokhan [2d\]: i think now even m12 stones may die
awesome [4k\]: you're about 4k aga, toffee
Thoravatar [4d\]: i don
Thoravatar [4d\]: i don't see black's life yet*
otis [?\]: there isn't any
kungfuli [2k\]: n5
toffee [3d\]: If b wears glasses, then he has 2 eyes.
MXHero [4d\]: S4?
Kogokhan [2d\]: n9 maybe
F525 [1k\]:  n5?????
MXHero [4d\]: i am having trouble seeing b dead now, honestly
otis [?\]: toffee, you mean a monocle
kungfuli [2k\]: n5 will give black a clap for good try :3
bengozen [5k\]: what move are you seeing to make life mxhero?
regigigas [5d\]: n9
Thoravatar [4d\]: how does S4-S3 help?
toffee [3d\]: No, I mean an eye-patch, a pirate.
Kogokhan [2d\]: n9 seems work
Thus [3d\]: n9 n7 
Hammer [5d\]: N9 good
HieuNM [11k\]: He can make one eye with R7,but how another one?
Rij [-\]: n9 is life
MXHero [4d\]: well all of this aji around N5, plus all of the sente around S4, means that N9 looks to be enough (after some number of kikashis)
regigigas [5d\]: n7 n6
MicMac [2d\]: n9 p7 is death i think
regigigas [5d\]: hm
Thoravatar [4d\]: n9-n7
Thus [3d\]: n9 n7 n6 r7 
Growl3r [8k\]: o9 o10 n9 p8 p7
MXHero [4d\]: but, that said, i don't see the sequence yet anyway :)
Thoravatar [4d\]: agree with Thus
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;B[rp]
;W[ro]C[MXHero [4d\]: wohoo
regigigas [5d\]: ok b dead ^^
awesome [4k\]: hmmm
Thus [3d\]: b can cut though
]
;B[so]C[Thoravatar [4d\]: S3
Wagaboo [2k\]: it's ko
otis [?\]: l8 k8 k7 and kill
otis [?\]: is black's plan
w0w [6d\]: black lives
otis [?\]: seems simple
kungfuli [2k\]: Lol
kungfuli [2k\]: wtf
AndEdhel [2d?\]: s2
Thoravatar [4d\]: WoW
USGO1 [-\]: black slaps down s4 firmly, white casually responds with s5
bengozen [5k\]: lol
Thoravatar [4d\]: that says it all
Wagaboo [2k\]: *_*
kungfuli [2k\]: LOL
Wagaboo [2k\]: thx USGO1
kungfuli [2k\]: Best
kungfuli [2k\]: commentary
kungfuli [2k\]: NA
Wagaboo [2k\]: q5  makes b live :)
AndEdhel [2d?\]: thx for those comments, usgo
jwc [-\]: b makes seki?
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;W[qm]C[MXHero [4d\]: yes, at S4, b announces that he lives, and at S5, w agrees without fanfare :)
Wagaboo [2k\]: s2  !
HieuNM [11k\]: one eye destroyed now
awesome [4k\]: big tail to drop
Kogokhan [2d\]: b wants n5 sente in some variation
wsn [5k\]: b is freaking out
w0w [6d\]: if anything... it would be s3 anyway
Odysseu9s [6k\]: Who has won yesterday ? The 9d or the 7d ?
pinkrobot [1k\]: can't drop the tail....as mx said earlier, tail too important or else m12 is for naught
otis [?\]: m12 is hopeless now anyway
bengozen [5k\]: not ot mention the S18 group would then be dead too
pinkrobot [1k\]: i'm not saying b has a chance, just that he can't lose the tail
w0w [6d\]: p8....
regigigas [5d\]: b alive?
Kogokhan [2d\]: agreed
w0w [6d\]: q8 i mean
regigigas [5d\]: just p8
minimalist [2k\]: n9
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;B[ol]C[regigigas [5d\]: yes
regigigas [5d\]: alive
regigigas [5d\]: n9 or s2
MXHero [4d\]: is it a ko? i think i am hallucinating a ko
]
;W[mk]C[regigigas [5d\]: yeah, maybe s2 is ko
AndEdhel [2d?\]: seems dead to me
Growl3r [8k\]: m3 was better than it looked, or b got lucky. can't tell!
Kogokhan [2d\]: r2 
kungfuli [2k\]: R2 then T1?
awesome [4k\]: t1 would be cool
pinkrobot [1k\]: still looking like b's only chance will be a cut at k7 later
wsn [5k\]: USGO, do u have live video feed?
pinkrobot [1k\]: not much of a chance though
otis [?\]: no video
kungfuli [2k\]: Go board is huge. Always a chance. espeically with time involved.
Wagaboo [2k\]: s2  time
w0w [6d\]: s2
Hammer [5d\]: why b not N9 earlier?
regigigas [5d\]: no chance 
USGO1 [-\]: no video this year. The EJournal is short staffed. You guys need to come and help us out
wsn [5k\]: not even eurogotv?
w0w [6d\]: s2 lives...
wsn [5k\]: thx usgo
Wagaboo [2k\]: w0w isn't that a ko ?
w0w [6d\]: yup
w0w [6d\]: b starts i think
Wagaboo [2k\]: s2 r2 r4 q5 r3 s1 q2 q1  
Wagaboo [2k\]: w starts
w0w [6d\]: wait and see ^^
pinkrobot [1k\]: b can give up s16 in ko
pinkrobot [1k\]: if has too...probably can live here
w0w [6d\]: anyway, b loses
Wagaboo [2k\]: w0w don't say that have you seen fan hui vs ilja in the weekend game of the egc 2013 ?
HieuNM [11k\]: I think they will both live
HieuNM [11k\]: isnt it?
wsn [5k\]: I guess w did this kind of life/death problems gazillions of times :)
HieuNM [11k\]: the top groups
wsn [5k\]: before becoming a p
MicMac [2d\]: so black live and loose p3 at the end
MicMac [2d\]: ?
kungfuli [2k\]: probably
MicMac [2d\]: still is a mess
redstab: cannot b cut ?
w0w [6d\]: w has about 3 ko that b can't ignore
Kogokhan [2d\]: it's temporaray seki, hieunm. Depending of the status of q9 group
Wagaboo [2k\]: no you're right it's b who start the ko
Wagaboo [2k\]: b starts with t2
Wagaboo [2k\]: t1*
w0w [6d\]: still, b's game is kinda over...
Wagaboo [2k\]: lol
kungfuli [2k\]: Go Board Huge. not like chess.
Wagaboo [2k\]: well b has no threats
wsn [5k\]: b is good considering he is not a p :)
Kogokhan [2d\]: even b lives with ko, j11 group is in danger now and w will get something from ko
pinkrobot [1k\]: b has L8, at the very least wagaboo
MicMac [2d\]: and s17
Wagaboo [2k\]: true pink robot it's local threat :)
Wagaboo [2k\]: i forgot to check local threats
pinkrobot [1k\]: L8, S17, M9...probably other
joh13 [2k\]: b live
TmC [23k?\]: isnt o9 a threat for black?
regigigas [5d\]: where the hell is the ko
frfr: what ko?
frfr: exactly
peakoil [3d\]: good question
frfr: r19 not ko
regigigas [5d\]: there is no ko 
Wagaboo [2k\]:  regigigas, i almost gave it in my sequence
peakoil [3d\]: fake ko
Wagaboo [2k\]: ko is in the bottom left
frfr: b can't t19
regigigas [5d\]: bottom left??
pinkrobot [1k\]: bottom right
Wagaboo [2k\]: kidding, bottom right
Kogokhan [2d\]: bottom left.. c3 might be a ko :P
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;B[qr]C[wsn [5k\]: how much time left for b usgo?
peakoil [3d\]: kibbitz ko only
Wagaboo [2k\]: ok i just mix left and right :D
]
;W[pr]C[Kogokhan [2d\]: hah i told you, guys  R2 :)
]
;B[ln]C[awesome [4k\]: no t1 :(
]
;W[ko]C[Wagaboo [2k\]: R2 ? heh ?!
]
;B[mo]
;W[mp]C[Wagaboo [2k\]: :O
]
;B[po]C[kungfuli [2k\]: lives
]
;W[qp]
;B[rq]C[regigigas [5d\]: but at what cost???
]
;W[hq]C[Wagaboo [2k\]: sente
regigigas [5d\]: the game
kungfuli [2k\]: AHHHHHHH
]
;B[ip]C[Growl3r [8k\]: j11 lonely
]
;W[hp]
;B[io]C[Kogokhan [2d\]: yeah the game is practically over
Wagaboo [2k\]: e4 
toffee [3d\]: w is a lion going hungry, again.
Jermelle [-\]: W is amazing
pinkrobot [1k\]: still, pretty clever work on b's part just to get here
Kogokhan [2d\]: h9 ?
Rukasu [2k\]: it's not like white built a huge moyo or so while racing black, white has little (except for the top right corner)
bengozen [5k\]: i don't see how the game is over
peakoil [3d\]: w does not have top right
Rukasu [2k\]: (right, sorry, i only joined the game now ^^i can see it now)
awesome [4k\]: g6
Kogokhan [2d\]: it's all about counting of the weak groups. Of course the game is not over :P
peakoil [3d\]: b has 2 weak groups, so it wil be hard, but he has the first stone in the remaining corners too
pinkrobot [1k\]: w will obviously get something out of this, but game could swing b's way w/ a slack play
]
;W[im]C[Rukasu [2k\]: w has to watch out cause of L8
Rukasu [2k\]: ok, not anymore
USGO1 [-\]: Yuhan had stepped away with his last move, so now we wait for his return
pinkrobot [1k\]: i would be more likely to screw this up as w than as b (assuming i was playing someone my own strength)
idazuwaika [4d\]: Hanyu means chinese, Yuhan means ?
uurtamo [-\]: can you take arbitrary breaks during the game?
]
;B[ho]C[Kogokhan [2d\]: i feel you, pinkrobot.. Same here
]
;W[fp]C[regigigas [5d\]: game is good for w
uurtamo [-\]: h4 looks difficult to do something good with.
]
;B[hm]C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: what are the time settings?
pinkrobot [1k\]: i would miss the move you have to make to pressure the 2 weak groups simultaneously
USGO1 [-\]: in the US Open, each player gets 2 hrs
]
;W[gn]C[uurtamo [-\]: ah, so his clock runs down while he leaves the table?
USGO1 [-\]: yes
Growl3r [8k\]: g11 soonish?
peakoil [3d\]: unless he leaves on his opponent's turn
toffee [3d\]: b should play L2 and settle.
idazuwaika [4d\]: 2 hrs each is long
]
;B[il]C[idazuwaika [4d\]: is it standard?
USGO1 [-\]: the length? or the running clock?
]
;W[dn]C[toffee [3d\]: 2 hours each is short by japanese standard.
regigigas [5d\]: not really
otis [?\]: not all japanese matches are 2 day affairs
]
;B[jm]
;W[kl]C[AndEdhel [2d?\]: egc is 2h30mn each, plus byo yomi
USGO1 [-\]: ah, yes, the lower ranked players in the other room only get 90 mins each
HieuNM [11k\]: is N3 a threaten? white cant connect 2 groups which seem both weak
HieuNM [11k\]: N13
AndEdhel [2d?\]: n13 m12
toffee [3d\]: 10 mins is enough for the kgs crowd.
]
;B[lk]C[AndEdhel [2d?\]: L
peakoil [3d\]: b close to saving both weak groups, but lower right corner is in trouble
]
;W[ki]C[HieuNM [11k\]: L11 then black can running out
MXHero [4d\]: i walk away for one minute and everything changes
Rukasu [2k\]: black is trying to do w some harm ;)
Koukkaaja [3d\]: so if 6d play against 7d, 6d gets 90 min and 7d gets 2 h?
HieuNM [11k\]: ok,not now
regigigas [5d\]: 4d below gets 90 min
]
;B[ik]C[Piruzic [2k\]: W lost his outside influence
pinkrobot [1k\]: whoever said earlier that w is a lion gone hungry is spot on for this game
]
;W[jl]C[peakoil [3d\]: b to play in lower left now?
]
;B[cp]
;W[jn]
;B[hn]
;W[eq]
;B[dr]C[peakoil [3d\]: b5 sente then h8?
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;W[fl]C[regigigas [5d\]: nice
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zaboomafoo [3k\]: cool seki
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peakoil [3d\]: erw get your elbow off the keyboard!
zaboomafoo [3k\]: someone stop spammer..
regigigas [5d\]: admin
MXHero [4d\]: k10 then g9?
peakoil [3d\]: i guess w didn't want a complicated fight
regigigas [5d\]: l12
zaboomafoo [3k\]: this is an intricate game
]
;B[fm]C[peakoil [3d\]: who here would have played c4 as black?
peakoil [3d\]: it's the kind of move I woul dnever think to play
]
;W[gm]
;B[gl]
;W[fn]
;B[em]
;W[en]
;B[el]
;W[fk]
;B[ek]C[MXHero [4d\]: it's like the C6 attachment but not bad
]
;W[bo]C[zaboomafoo [3k\]: I would have played e5 or smth
]
;B[go]C[AndEdhel [2d?\]: b2
RichHuig [15k?\]: hi all
frfr: e3
]
;W[ep]C[zaboomafoo [3k\]: b2 b3 b4 c3 d3 then what?
]
;B[bp]C[pinkrobot [1k\]: Zhang is full of surprises
AndEdhel [2d?\]: c8?
]
;W[dq]
;B[cq]
;W[gk]
;B[hl]
;W[hj]
;B[ij]
;W[ej]
;B[dj]
;W[ei]
;B[cl]C[AndEdhel [2d?\]: W in trouble now...
mkeller [1k\]: I just got back from lunch only to find that this board has turned into an absolute nightmare
mkeller [1k\]: good lord
peakoil [3d\]: b center at risk too
zaboomafoo [3k\]: but can w live?
mkeller [1k\]: time for some 1p magic
regigigas [5d\]: b7
zaboomafoo [3k\]: e2 for starters
pinkrobot [1k\]: assuming w finds good shape w/ the e6 group, the pressure will be all over b as the j4 group come under attack
MXHero [4d\]: b is aiming at C6
USGO1 [-\]: Matthew glances over at board two where Peilun Li is clapping his fan open and closed very loudly
NominRamen [7k?\]: xD
NominRamen [7k?\]: i love the flavor commentary
mkeller [1k\]: e2 c2 c5 sente for w
Demon [3d\]: lol wow Peilun, way to be a nuisance  :P
MXHero [4d\]: e2 *c6 is possible
NominRamen [7k?\]: i need to start playing with a fan. maybe i'll be shodan then
USGO1 [-\]: finally the TD comes by to ask him to stop
MXHero [4d\]: :)
Rukis [1k\]: lol
Demon [3d\]: good.  it's really annoying when people do that.
]
;W[di]C[RichHuig [15k?\]: :)
wsn [5k\]: trying to distract?
Demon [3d\]: or a nervous habit
pinkrobot [1k\]: d11 is gutsy...i realize b5 can be used by w to cut the group off from the corner...but what about the e2 push and such?
]
;B[cj]C[wsn [5k\]: should be a 2 points penalty :)
USGO1 [-\]: its the first time I've see Matthew distracted from his game
USGO1 [-\]: *seen
]
;W[bm]C[Demon [3d\]: he has a lot of good focus for being so young
mkeller [1k\]: e2 dangerous now
NominRamen [7k?\]: he's nervous about the game
]
;B[bh]
;W[er]C[mkeller [1k\]: snap
Demon [3d\]: compared to most american kids anyways  lol
Thus [3d\]: why e2 and not b2?
NominRamen [7k?\]: it's like when tennis players angrily stare at their racket :)
MXHero [4d\]: thus, same question
wsn [5k\]: kill the corner?
mkeller [1k\]: e2 leads to L group 
]
;B[kh]C[Demon [3d\]: or throw their racket on the ground and bounce it up then catch it
mkeller [1k\]: if c2 gets filled
pinkrobot [1k\]: L12 well timed
MXHero [4d\]: but b B2, isn't it possible?
mkeller [1k\]: true
Thus [3d\]: i guess since a5 is sente for b
mkeller [1k\]: b2 is quite the ko though
MXHero [4d\]: oh thus good call
Thus [3d\]: not sure a right call though
]
;W[ps]
;B[rs]C[Thus [3d\]: what if b2 c2 b1 or something
purpura9 [7k\]: n3 urgent now ?
pinkrobot [1k\]: no, w looking for miai
purpura9 [7k\]: oh
pinkrobot [1k\]: so he doesnt have to n13
MXHero [4d\]: is w trying to find the right move around H13?
USGO1 [-\]: Matthew starts to play around the m18 area, but then pulls back reexamining the board
redstab: isnt t2 playable ?
pinkrobot [1k\]: h13 seems right 
USGO1 [-\]: shakes his head slightly as if to reject a possible variation
meuns [1d\]: incredible game
meuns [1d\]: black pro too ?
USGO1 [-\]: restraightens the l17 stones a couple of times
pinkrobot [1k\]: m18 is a ploy
mkeller [1k\]: t2 is the latent threat here
USGO1 [-\]: also a few other stones around the board
Koukkaaja [3d\]: situation still correct?
mkeller [1k\]: I do wonder what will happen to e11 group
redstab: cannot w drop this to surrender j11 group with g9 escaping ?
NominRamen [7k?\]: matthew is using a slight of hand trick. you extend one arm to fix a stone while quietly using your other hand to place a stone under your arm.
MXHero [4d\]: N3 and N13 are miai in a sense, but w needs to make sure that they have the same value
NominRamen [7k?\]: ^_^
USGO1 [-\]: he's got a pile of stones on the table in front of him where he keeps taking them out of the bowl, but then doesn't play them
MXHero [4d\]: that is, w wants to make it look like b shouldn't force w to connect -or- capture the two stones
]
;W[jd]C[MXHero [4d\]: so it makes sense to find a way to strengthen the J15 stones (but not too much; then b N3 is too easy)
Madzilla [3d\]: looks very difficult for W
Koukkaaja [3d\]: w trying to reduce libs of o16?
qp [6k\]: K16 works towards F9
regigigas [5d\]: too many weak groups for w
pinkrobot [1k\]: b maybe wants to take away n3 push now?
MicMac [2d\]: hum n3 so big
redstab: w attacking top is the most interesting on the board right now is think
AndEdhel [2d?\]: n13
]
;B[jc]
;W[ic]C[MXHero [4d\]: it's not as big as it seems, micmac
MicMac [2d\]: n3 make a base for black too
uurtamo [-\]: f17 area looks big.
MXHero [4d\]: forcing w to make N14 stronger is not an obviously good choice
uurtamo [-\]: e17 i suppose.
MXHero [4d\]: on the other hand, forcing w to kill O3 is not obviously good either
MicMac [2d\]: l2 can still be troublesome for black no?
Konservas [2k\]: e17 passive?
USGO1 [-\]: Yuhan leans over the table very close to the board, nodding his head rythmically
MXHero [4d\]: w does not want to force b to run away around H13, since that hurts E11
]
;B[hd]
;W[id]C[AndEdhel [2d?\]: usgo: earphones?
redstab: f9 still not completely dead
MXHero [4d\]: but attacking b, forcing b to play N3 in sente, doesn't seem ideal either
]
;B[gg]
;W[lb]C[Jermelle [-\]: o.o
mkeller [1k\]: dun dun duuuuuun
pinkrobot [1k\]: just L18?
zum [3d?\]: MX: nothing is ideal to you
]
;B[ld]C[Madzilla [3d\]: M18 is not so easy to deal with...
MXHero [4d\]: nope, not on this board :)
AndEdhel [2d?\]: l13 seems huge
qp [6k\]: M16?? really?
redstab: j18 is sente now
MXHero [4d\]: M16 gives b the most liberties
qp [6k\]: wouldve thought M17
Tabemasu [2d?\]: m17 kills s16
]
;W[ee]C[MXHero [4d\]: if M17 then w N16 M16 *K18, oh gosh!
selpahi [1k\]: is bbw in this tournament?
Madzilla [3d\]: exactly...
redstab: how do you respond this ?
NominRamen [7k?\]: this game is so awesome
pinkrobot [1k\]: this game has had excellent whole board fighting
Madzilla [3d\]: so maybe B should have just played J18 instead of H16?
regigigas [5d\]: w crazy
Madzilla [3d\]: W is behind so naturally he seeks to complicate the game by playing crazy
Trace [2d\]: w can live after n13 so no need right now
peakoil [3d\]: e13 ?
Madzilla [3d\]: F16 maybe?
FishGo [5k\]: I fell he has been looking for sth to kill from the get go
redstab: b 14 playable by w now ?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: i dont see life after n13
MXHero [4d\]: assuming everything lives, there are almost no points on this board
Trace [2d\]: n13  n12 m13 m11 m10 etc...
Madzilla [3d\]: that's assuming a lot...
MXHero [4d\]: =))
AndEdhel [2d?\]: m11 o9?
redstab: what is the solution ?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: seems dead to me
Madzilla [3d\]: Is there a video feed for this game?
Minjhou [9k\]: n3?
Trace [2d\]: after m10 by b w does n3
peakoil [3d\]: b will m11 before n13
Trace [2d\]: then miai with j6 and below
AndEdhel [2d?\]: trace. no m10, but l9. and n3 1 eye
MXHero [4d\]: no need to play m11 ever
Trace [2d\]: then miai with j6 and n3
AndEdhel [2d?\]: o9 sorry
]
;B[mg]C[redstab: there s so much space and ajis, thats so complicated 
]
;W[mq]C[AndEdhel [2d?\]: (stupid autocoreect)
]
;B[mr]C[peakoil [3d\]: i guess you were right mx
Jonerick [7k\]: tenuki... interesting
]
;W[nr]
;B[kr]C[MXHero [4d\]: this is no tenuki; w has to live! :)
]
;W[ms]C[Jonerick [7k\]: oh I wasn't looking closely xD
]
;B[ls]
;W[lr]
;B[fd]
;W[ed]
;B[mr]
;W[ns]
;B[fc]
;W[ec]C[lance [1d\]: white has forcing moves against L 17 group
pinkrobot [1k\]: as regigigas said earlier, it kind of seems like w has too many weak groups
qp [6k\]: only 3 now :)
MXHero [4d\]: i wants J13 so bad
]
;B[eb]C[MXHero [4d\]: w wants*
MXHero [4d\]: maybe a freudian slip hehe
kungfuli [2k\]: if black wins this game... omg
muchen1999 [5d\]: how about G18 for w?
kungfuli [2k\]: the comeback
grandaure [5k\]: w is aga 1p or/and chinese 1p ?
tuerda [2d\]: now that I know, if I ever play you MXHero, I will open at J13 to make sure you dont ever get it
MXHero [4d\]: omg so cruel! :)
mkeller [1k\]: there are only two aga 1p so far 
mkeller [1k\]: w isn't one of them
grandaure [5k\]: thanks
MicMac [2d\]: g18 make a ko right? (if black answer at f18?)
mkeller [1k\]: yup
pinkrobot [1k\]: g14 for w?
peakoil [3d\]: some people here were predicting black resigning a long time ago
pinkrobot [1k\]: typical kibitz....b has played with alot of pluck
AndEdhel [2d?\]: d18? c14?
qp [6k\]: that's just nature of kinitz. w+ seclared on move 9
zum [3d?\]: 1p aga=paga
tuerda [2d\]: b attacking a chicken pinkrobot?
Architect [2k\]: think w need j18 or something
pinkrobot [1k\]: Spirited and determined courage
tuerda [2d\]: I would use "pluck" if I was attacking a chicken
pinkrobot [1k\]: me 2, i guess
AndEdhel [2d?\]: i would watch the "clock_
]
;W[gf]C[tuerda [2d\]: w really does seem to be in serious trouble
purpura9 [7k\]: m18 looks good now 
pinkrobot [1k\]: ha... i finally called a move
pinkrobot [1k\]: lucky of course
lance [1d\]: center of symmetry
pinkrobot [1k\]: or should i say plucky?
]
;B[hf]C[tuerda [2d\]: indeed you should
mkeller [1k\]: I don't see what else could be said
]
;W[jb]
;B[kb]
;W[hb]C[tuerda [2d\]: b clever moves!
]
;B[ja]C[tuerda [2d\]: I mean w
]
;W[ia]
;B[ib]
;W[ge]C[TheCoon [1d\]: intense game
mkeller [1k\]: this ko is so massive
Piemuo [1k\]: jungle is massive
mkeller [1k\]: as is this ko
tuerda [2d\]: massive pluck
peakoil [3d\]: if w connects his groups black center is in danger
redstab: just connect
GoForFun8 [1d\]: w has a lot of big ko threats
tuerda [2d\]: b considering finishing the ko
tuerda [2d\]: probably
]
;B[ha]C[peakoil [3d\]: whoah!
tuerda [2d\]: yup
MXHero [4d\]: wow
]
;W[he]C[mkeller [1k\]: m18 died a hero's death
pinkrobot [1k\]: wow indeed
]
;B[eg]C[peakoil [3d\]: I guess b read this out
TheCoon [1d\]: nice move
tuerda [2d\]: m18 gets a medal of honor
]
;W[hg]C[tuerda [2d\]: g12?
pinkrobot [1k\]: b will get f9 group, but w takes the c3 corner w/out a ko at a later stage?
qp [6k\]: j5 doesnt to seem entinerly alive yet
AndEdhel [2d?\]: neither is e4
peakoil [3d\]: j5 alive after b capture f9 group
tuerda [2d\]: indeed qp, that is one of the things that makes this position so messy
Hammer [5d\]: what about lower left?
mkeller [1k\]: j5 is fine for now
tuerda [2d\]: oh maybe b G11 is good
mkeller [1k\]: a lot has to happen for j5 to struggle
redstab: how much time do they still have ?
USGO1 [-\]: the clock is on the other side of the board from me, I can't see it
otis [?\]: well they have at least an hour combined
]
;B[hh]C[pinkrobot [1k\]: well, of the 2 groups (e9 and L14), the L14 group was absolutely essential for w to keep
]
;W[dg]C[qp [6k\]: mkeller, i'm not saying that J5 is going to die, but it has some issues and is connected to all alse which gives w opportunity to exploit
mkeller [1k\]: as i said: plenty has to happen for j5 to actually become an issue
pinkrobot [1k\]: well, against a 1p, plenty can happen pretty quickly
Rukis [1k\]: j5 isnt doing anything lol
tuerda [2d\]: you are right on the money qp, b cannot go all out against w groups because  his group is not alive yet
otis [?\]: usgo, has andy liu finally won a game?
Rukis [1k\]: he only lost 1 game i think
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
otis [?\]: he lost two
tuerda [2d\]: he won his first game
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/
frozensoul [-\]: AZURE!!!! :D *MOST EPIC FIST BUMP OF EPIC AWESOMNESS!!!!!*
AzureSea [4d\]: lol *fist bump*
AzureSea [4d\]: i just logged on
otis [?\]: still no result listed for his third game, but ty anyway
Rukis [1k\]: otis
otis [?\]: tuerda, he lost his first game
Rukis [1k\]: why dont you wait like 2 hours
Rukis [1k\]: geez
pinkrobot [1k\]: i have a suspicion that b will get the 4 stones at f9 only .... and lose the bottom left corner....and see a big bite out of the top left corner
]
;B[fg]
;W[ef]C[AzureSea [4d\]: bottom left b group dead riht
regigigas [5d\]: its a ko
Tabemasu [2d?\]: its ko
AzureSea [4d\]: oh right b2
pensivedog [?\]: dead if w plays there first, ko otherwise
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
AzureSea [4d\]: very strange game lol
AzureSea [4d\]: neither player has very many points
MXHero [4d\]: it gets insane starting at M3
pinkrobot [1k\]: so true mx
Str1fe [3d\]: it was insane before that
]
;B[cg]C[pinkrobot [1k\]: well the top right joseki (if that's what it was) was pretty nuts
regigigas [5d\]: hard for w
qp [6k\]: has to ko i think. whwere is question
]
;W[ig]
;B[dh]C[AzureSea [4d\]: alright im all caught up
TheCoon [1d\]: snap
AzureSea [4d\]: lots of fighting lol
TheCoon [1d\]: seems like a big miss
AzureSea [4d\]: white is strong
Medriel [1d\]: wild game
USGO1 [-\]: I glanced away, and one of the players slammed a stone down hard on the table. I had to look closely to make sure I didn't miss a move on the board
tuerda [2d\]: haha
otis [?\]: w is just dead?
Rukis [1k\]: so whites dead :D
tuerda [2d\]: we have entered the hikaru no go universe
AzureSea [4d\]: haha
AzureSea [4d\]: divine move
otis [?\]: they just wanted to make sure usgo didn't fall behind
USGO1 [-\]: Matthew almost played c2, but now is reexamining the board elsewhere
]
;W[cr]
;B[db]C[Izaya1128 [3k\]: His stone would be glowing if it were the hikaru no go universe lol
regigigas [5d\]: black ahead
AzureSea [4d\]: ^
MXHero [4d\]: b must be leading, right?
tuerda [2d\]: let us know when someone stares down and crumples their pants: it means they are about to resign
Rukis [1k\]: no not just glowing
pinkrobot [1k\]: well, b can get lots of top corner and win?
AzureSea [4d\]: i actually think its even game
Rukis [1k\]: you would be able hear sai's thoughts
AzureSea [4d\]: only a few points difference
goahead [?\]: b is confident
]
;W[df]C[AzureSea [4d\]: c15
TheCoon [1d\]: this was a huge though
TheCoon [1d\]: huge swing
AzureSea [4d\]: oh actually
AzureSea [4d\]: no
otis [?\]: tuerda, usgo could just read the chat bubble revealing their inner thoughts
AzureSea [4d\]: lol
]
;B[eh]C[AzureSea [4d\]: b has to connect e12
AzureSea [4d\]: there
Izaya1128 [3k\]: lol
tuerda [2d\]: also true otis
AzureSea [4d\]: q7
AzureSea [4d\]: :P
tuerda [2d\]: but who cares whether or not b did the dishes already?
SadPlayer [-\]: h17 
]
;W[cf]C[pinkrobot [1k\]: anyone count this thing?
otis [?\]: "god this stain on my pants. i hope no one sees it *crumples pants*"
tuerda [2d\]: haha
AzureSea [4d\]: -_-
pensivedog [?\]: w must k14 pretty soon
MXHero [4d\]: no need
Rukis [1k\]: yeah
tuerda [2d\]: "oh dang, I crumpled my pants! I guess I must resign now . . . too bad, becasue I was winning"
AzureSea [4d\]: g16 is there lol
Rukis [1k\]: k14 k13 j14 g18 f18 g16 
pensivedog [?\]: ha
Rukis [1k\]: cant kill :D
AzureSea [4d\]: :)
pensivedog [?\]: :)
]
;B[hc]C[Rukis [1k\]: now you can
AzureSea [4d\]: lol
pinkrobot [1k\]: seems like b is up a few
AzureSea [4d\]: k13
goahead [?\]: huge
HelloQtion [-\]: b13 ?
otis [?\]: there is never a happy ending when you crumple pants
MXHero [4d\]: gosh, seems like terrible timing for b
MXHero [4d\]: B13 appears sente
pensivedog [?\]: I peed on the floor once
AzureSea [4d\]: oh yes b 13 works
tuerda [2d\]: did you ever see a good guy crumple his pants in a disney movie? Of course not!
Izaya1128 [3k\]: lol
qp [6k\]: can W B16?
AzureSea [4d\]: b13'
HelloQtion [-\]: if b13 possible h17 is terrible
otis [?\]: /hits pensivedog with a newspaper
MXHero [4d\]: oh wow w can even connect at B14 after that atari
AzureSea [4d\]: b13 lol
MXHero [4d\]: that is truly terrible
tuerda [2d\]: /pensive dog crumples his pants in shame
goahead [?\]: w need k13 sometime if b13 doesn't work
MicMac [2d\]: hum i guess white don't want to play b13
MicMac [2d\]: c11 still has aji
copyright [3d\]: c11 and cut k12 
otis [?\]: why is b13 so important, mx?
emerus [1d\]: b13 works
emerus [1d\]: so lower right?
emerus [1d\]: loer left*
MXHero [4d\]: breaking into the left side is important
USGO1 [-\]: Hi this is Solomon sitting in for a few minutes while your game recorder gets a lunch break. Either of the players can choose to adjourn the game for lunch but they would have to seal a move.
otis [?\]: but b's move was also big
Rukis [1k\]: Dude
Rukis [1k\]: your name is awesome
AzureSea [4d\]: hello solomon
]
;W[ci]C[AzureSea [4d\]: o.o
mkeller [1k\]: wut?
Rukis [1k\]: Solomon the KGS recorder of doom :D
AzureSea [4d\]: c11...
MXHero [4d\]: blah, i am baffled, oh well
Izaya1128 [3k\]: LOL
wsn [5k\]: p move
mkeller [1k\]: this I do not get
AzureSea [4d\]: the inner machinations of a 1p will never be understood
]
;B[ch]C[otis [?\]: you got everything else up to this point, mk?
pinkrobot [1k\]: b14
Rukis [1k\]: o.o
AzureSea [4d\]: what was the point of c11
MicMac [2d\]: this was in relation with j12
AzureSea [4d\]: now b13 isnt sente
qp [6k\]: aims at J11 maybe?
Rukis [1k\]: it is if you want it to be :)
]
;W[bd]C[qp [6k\]: j12*
mkeller [1k\]: so what was the point of the c11 exchange exactly?
otis [?\]: how old is atthew?
]
;B[bc]C[emerus [1d\]: j12 is agood way to lose an eye in gote
frfr: destroy aji before attack..?
AzureSea [4d\]: maybe
AzureSea [4d\]: idk
MicMac [2d\]: some yose against d10 
]
;W[ce]C[MXHero [4d\]: i think w lost like an entire move here
regigigas [5d\]: w aiming at j12
qp [6k\]: thanks 5d :)
regigigas [5d\]: c15 makes eye so k13 doesn't kill
SirEttin [1d\]: did someone count?
mkeller [1k\]: is there aji now against c10 ?
AzureSea [4d\]: i think white is slightly ahead
AzureSea [4d\]: dammit i g2g
AzureSea [4d\]: later
pinkrobot [1k\]: no, i still count b up a little 
Medriel [1d\]: escaper
otis [?\]: i doubt it
pinkrobot [1k\]: but it's hard to count
otis [?\]: w group has so few liberties
emerus [1d\]: it's very close
FuzzFace [1k\]: dont stand so, dont santd so close to me
pinkrobot [1k\]: cant b just k13?
MXHero [4d\]: that lets w live in sente
emerus [1d\]: at the cost of the tail of stones
mkeller [1k\]: most nice
emerus [1d\]: i dont think w can afford it?
]
;B[jg]
;W[cc]
;B[cb]C[pensivedog [?\]: I think b up about 10 points
pensivedog [?\]: without komi
emerus [1d\]: i agree
frfr: can d10 be killed?
MXHero [4d\]: oh it is complicated, i see
Minjhou [9k\]: d10 vs d11
]
;W[dd]
;B[bl]C[frfr: w missed it
selpahi [1k\]: i'm tired, so... why can't white k14?
]
;W[cm]C[selpahi [1k\]: before.
]
;B[bj]C[emerus [1d\]: black would fix the cut in sente
MXHero [4d\]: w wanted to use C11 a bit
]
;W[if]
;B[ir]
;W[hr]C[frfr: and now why not k14?
Rukis [1k\]: white losing by alot?
frfr: instead of j14
Rukis [1k\]: no?
bengozen [5k\]: i think white is ahead
tuerda [2d\]: no
emerus [1d\]: yea, if a lot is 5 points
emerus [1d\]: i think so
MicMac [2d\]: because j14 was sente
]
;B[lr]C[MXHero [4d\]: T7
tuerda [2d\]: is a very close game
]
;W[bb]C[pensivedog [?\]: b18 big
rayheart [1d\]: i count 61.5 at 65
]
;B[nk]C[Tzad [7k\]: B is about 10pts ahead
tuerda [2d\]: that much tzad?
]
;W[nj]C[MXHero [4d\]: w should T7 right now
]
;B[lj]
;W[li]
;B[ml]
;W[mi]C[rayheart [1d\]: white can play t7 any time
MXHero [4d\]: only for a little while longer, that's the point
pinkrobot [1k\]: well, m2 was not good
]
;B[in]
;W[or]
;B[ba]
;W[ab]C[mkeller [1k\]: t7 certainly is nice
qp [6k\]: w+
]
;B[bf]C[MXHero [4d\]: it's 3 point reverse sente = 6 points gote
pinkrobot [1k\]: w's going to eek this out
MXHero [4d\]: plenty big to play right now
]
;W[is]
;B[js]
;W[hs]
;B[fo]
;W[eo]
;B[dm]C[mkeller [1k\]: i'd wholeheartedly agree
]
;W[al]
;B[ak]
;W[am]
;B[gp]
;W[gq]
;B[jf]
;W[je]C[Tzad [7k\]: B B2?
peakoil [3d\]: b wins
mkeller [1k\]: b b2 nothing
USGO1 [-\]: The TD is suggesting they adjourn for lunch.
peakoil [3d\]: NO
AndEdhel [2d?\]: now?*
otis [?\]: match is almost over
tuerda [2d\]: tell them it is almost done
AndEdhel [2d?\]: almost over
meuns [1d\]: w is amazing
qp [6k\]: pretty sure 1p knows that ;-)
peakoil [3d\]: force them to finish for the home audience!
AndEdhel [2d?\]: they know ;(
]
;B[ae]C[meuns [1d\]: hell good
MXHero [4d\]: omg plz play T7 now
rayheart [1d\]: did white revert the game?
otis [?\]: td shouldn't be interrupting the players, imo. if they need food, they'll adjourn
]
;W[ad]
;B[be]
;W[no]
;B[mn]
;W[iq]
;B[jr]
;W[pm]
;B[om]
;W[oo]
;B[on]C[mkeller [1k\]: there we go]
;W[sm]
;B[sn]
;W[jo]
;B[jp]C[Thus [3d\]: seems like white is hungry
MXHero [4d\]: the timing of T7 feels like complete nonsense to me, oh well :)
bengozen [5k\]: T15!
]
;W[gd]
;B[gc]C[Jhyn [2k\]: t15 useless, black is dead
lance [1d\]: maybe they are tired
AndEdhel [2d?\]: c19?
Rukis [1k\]: white should
]
;W[qs]
;B[qq]
;W[se]C[MXHero [4d\]: T15 is a point, and it is a seki
Djuz [1k\]: seki
tuerda [2d\]: what jhyn?
MXHero [4d\]: lol
tuerda [2d\]: nobody is dead
Demon [3d\]: lol b not dead  XD
Demon [3d\]: except in lower left
Jhyn [2k\]: blah, don't mind me >_<
emerus [1d\]: b+5.5
bengozen [5k\]: B not dead but white gains a point!
USGO1 [-\]: They just flew throught he endgame
meuns [1d\]: b+ ???
USGO1 [-\]: I may have a move or two out of order
mkeller [1k\]: 1 point in sente
]
;B[rc]C[purpura9 [7k\]: must be hungery 
pinkrobot [1k\]: i think this is one of the best games i've ever watched on kgs
peakoil [3d\]: is there a final ruling yet?
]
;W[ca]C[Djuz [1k\]: wow
]
;B[da]C[aristokrat [1d\]: c19
MXHero [4d\]: oh thank god, usgo
tuerda [2d\]: ?????
peakoil [3d\]: ??
RhysD [6k\]: Now I'm confused
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;W[ac]C[AndEdhel [2d?\]: s17 ..
tuerda [2d\]: s17????
Konservas [2k\]: forgot to s17 :)
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;B[fb]C[otis [?\]: purpura, this is in the us, not hungary
pinkrobot [1k\]: did you miss a move usgo?
peakoil [3d\]: they are playing faster than the recorder can keep up
emerus [1d\]: b played s17
Hammer [5d\]: lol
emerus [1d\]: of course
Demon [3d\]: happens a lot with dame and small endgame it seems
lance [1d\]: black forgot to answer
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;W[jm]C[Djuz [1k\]: it's can't be truth
meuns [1d\]: who won ?
Jhyn [2k\]: i told you black was dead
Timk [1d\]: funny if they forgot about s17 :D
Rukis [1k\]: ...
MXHero [4d\]: b S17 now, very stylish way to end :)
frfr: lol jhyn
peakoil [3d\]: everybody shout USGO --> S17
peakoil [3d\]: USGO --> S17
Konservas [2k\]: jhyn like se ;) can kill whatever he wants ;P
pinkrobot [1k\]: USGO S17
Rukis [1k\]: why?
Rukis [1k\]: not at you herod xD
akairyuu [2d?\]: ...or we can imagine it has been played, as it most likely has been
USGO1 [-\]: Scoring now...
bengozen [5k\]: S17 was played by Black right USGO1?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: s17 please
Rukis [1k\]: yes it was played
Hammer [5d\]: s17 b wins i think
USGO1 [-\]: Black was ahead by 9.5 until white remembered at the very last moment to count his prisoners so now...
Rukis [1k\]: if he didnt
Rukis [1k\]: black would lose
otis [?\]: we all know s17 was played. just use your imagination
Jhyn [2k\]: just imagine it's a tsumego
Jhyn [2k\]: "black to play and get seki"
USGO1 [-\]: it looks like W+1.5 but now a TD has to be called to evaluate the value of the seki situation.
pancake [-\]: value of the seki? how does it have a value?
Konservas [2k\]: its aga rules?
qp [6k\]: what rules set? AGA?
Rukis [1k\]: each player gets a point
emerus [1d\]: oh
MXHero [4d\]: the argument would be that R19 and Q18 are both territory
emerus [1d\]: chinese counting
Jhyn [2k\]: that does not change the final result though, they have one eye each
Herod [-\]: AGA scoring
AndEdhel [2d?\]: pancake: value of not dying
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;B[ca]C[MXHero [4d\]: just depends on how the rules deal with it
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;W[aa]C[otis [?\]: too fighty
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;B[dc]
;W[fe]
;B[ff]C[bert [4d?\]: but td is away for lunch?
kahin [2k\]: s17 working 
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;W[lg]
;B[mh]C[Trace [2d\]: two eyes w
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;W[jj]C[emerus [1d\]: remember this kgs version
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;B[kk]
;W[kg]
;B[ih]
;W[od]C[ligo [4k\]: r19 must be the dispute
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;B[ji]C[MXHero [4d\]: frfr, that is the ugliest choice to make, that's why
qp [6k\]: it seems it is
Herod [-\]: In AGA when you pass you hand a prisoner to opponent
Herod [-\]: white plays last
frfr: why is it ugly?
DarkJester [11k\]: wait
selpahi [1k\]: i only like japanese rules
emerus [1d\]: hm
pinkrobot [1k\]: kgs score estimator can't tolerate r19 as a point
emerus [1d\]: so the confusing part is
DarkJester [11k\]: you give the opponent a prisoner or you lose one of yours?
MXHero [4d\]: because there are some positions where proper play is inhumanly complex and unintuitive
DarkJester [11k\]: in AGA ruling?
Jhyn [2k\]: oh ok, so it seems it should be B+.5
MXHero [4d\]: superko is well-defined and it is also terrible, deal with it :)
peakoil [3d\]: I can see the headlines tomorrow...
Rukis [1k\]: how does losing a point from 1.5 lead to black winning?
qp [6k\]: dewey defeats truman?
emerus [1d\]: has a really clear transcription mistake
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emerus [1d\]: i forgot to count prisoners :s
Rukis [1k\]: h18 
Jhyn [2k\]: maybe a one stone difference compared with real board
Demon [3d\]: well AGA rules on kgs is counted like chinese isn't it?
GoldRoger7 [2d\]: r19 a point ?
moro123 [1k\]: b + .5 ?
mkeller [1k\]: and i was wrong :)
zum [3d?\]: r19 point??
MXHero [4d\]: that is the big question
otis [?\]: r19 is always a point since stones = points in area counting
USGO1 [-\]: SE is showing me B+0.5 but the result that they report to the TD will be final.
RhysD [6k\]: I don't get it - why would R19 ever be a point?
otis [?\]: so w can fill or leave it
otis [?\]: whatever
MXHero [4d\]: but it seems to be the difference between b+.5 and b+1.5
Jhyn [2k\]: anyway w can play here so w will get the point because b will have to pass
qp [6k\]: se does aga rules??
Rukis [1k\]: no
mkeller [1k\]: it's a super tedious technicality
wsn [5k\]: a rule is a rule, regardless if you get it or not
gacua [1d\]: B wins?
emerus [1d\]: whtie has to play r19
otis [?\]: no
otis [?\]: se only uses japanese rules
pinkrobot [1k\]: but they originally counted w +1.5 so they messed up
USGO1 [-\]: AGA rules count the seki as 2 points for white and 1 point for black this way.
aristokrat [1d\]: kgs counting is not trustworthy
USGO1 [-\]: But white has to pass a prisoner to black for passing first. 
RhysD [6k\]: Oh, hang on, I was being stupid - I thought you were discussing T19. Oh dear...
gacua [1d\]: Either way, black wins by half point. It's amazing result
emerus [1d\]: but if white passes first, he gives a prisoner
MXHero [4d\]: wow
Hammer [5d\]: no, but b took a stone at T17
Thus [3d\]: why pass then?
Thus [3d\]: just keep playing inside your territory
Hammer [5d\]: so shouldn
Str1fe [3d\]: because that costs points too
MXHero [4d\]: thus, you can do that, but it doesn't change anything
USGO1 [-\]: White can lose a point in his territory or give black a point - it's the same.
emerus [1d\]: o
wsn [5k\]: do we have the final verdict USGO?
Jhyn [2k\]: both players can play inside, it doesn't change anything
NominRamen [7k?\]: why is that rule there? never heard it...
pinkrobot [1k\]: can someone explain the passing of a prisoner? what is the justification for that?
USGO1 [-\]: B+0.5 officially.
NominRamen [7k?\]: wowow
otis [?\]: playing inside your territory doesn't lose points
bengozen [5k\]: wow
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks for watching!
GoldRoger7 [2d\]: So play r19  and b pass
Konservas [2k\]: ...
Thus [3d\]: isn't a stone on the board worth a point?
MXHero [4d\]: beautiful game
moro123 [1k\]: well done b
Hammer [5d\]: good
wsn [5k\]: thx USGO!
moro123 [1k\]: thriller
lance [1d\]: thanks USGO
zaboomafoo [3k\]: t19 does otis
bengozen [5k\]: thanks USGO
Hammer [5d\]: USGO is amazing
RichHuig [15k?\]: congratz
otis [?\]: the pass stones is simply a bookkeeping device to keep area and territory counting scores the same
otis [?\]: that is all
Jhyn [2k\]: pro player going down
otis [?\]: gg
peakoil [3d\]: wow
Herod [-\]: passing prisoner is to make rule set consistent with chinese scoring
Thus [3d\]: i don't get this rule set
Hammer [5d\]: pro sometimes not serious enough
blotter [19k?\]: gg
emerus [1d\]: makes sense
Jhyn [2k\]: zi yang hu is american pro?
pinkrobot [1k\]: excellent game for b
emerus [1d\]: yeah
emerus [1d\]: 1p missed s17
selpahi [1k\]: but area counting isn't the same as territory counting
wsn [5k\]: chinese amat 6d is usually very strong
AndEdhel [2d?\]: lol
cartoon [4k\]: why he didn't
emerus [1d\]: !
MicMac [2d\]: thx for relay EuroGoTV
MicMac [2d\]: USGO* sorry^^^
frfr: usgo ;)
selpahi [1k\]: area counting ruins semedori
AndEdhel [2d?\]: ^^
gacua [1d\]: white was kind or he made mistake?
ka [1k?\]: so  who won?
cartoon [4k\]: why w didnt't s17? he wanted to looose? or miscalculated? strange
GoKlaus [1d?\]: b+0.5
Tzad [7k\]: When was S17 played
gacua [1d\]: I believe when white played Q16, he knew blach must have played S17, but when black avoided, he was polite.
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